[Theepistle] Saintly rankings (was FW: www.lesliecharteris.comupdates)

[Delmo Walters Jr.]

I haven't seen the pilot in a while and was recently taken to task regarding the plot holes a child could see through but, plot holes not withstanding, it seemed closer to the source material(if the butler/valet had been named Horace that would definitely have been a good touch)than the Kilmer film, which could've been called "The Angel" and no one would've been the wiser. 

I'll take Simon Dutton & Clarke over Kilmer any day.

Delmo Walters Jr.


--- On Thu, 7/3/08, Dick Lochte <dlochte at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dick Lochte <dlochte at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Theepistle] Saintly rankings (was FW: www.lesliecharteris.comupdates)
> To: ian.dickerson at gmail.com, theepistle at fascicle.org
> Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 8:42 PM
> The Clarke pilot, "The Saint in Manhattan," is
> pretty bad. Clarke is ok, a
> sort of "Great Land" version of Tom Selleck,
> without the warmth. The actor
> who played Templar's butler, George Rose, a Broadway
> theater veteran, was
> never one of my favorites, mainly because he overacted,
> something not that
> pleasant to see on the small screen. The director, James
> Frawley, is good
> and the show looks okay. But that script. That's where
> everything fell
> apart. Cute and coy where it should have been light and
> clever. Very soft
> and silly at times.
>  
> The Kilmer movie, which I loathed on the big screen, I
> didn't mind at all
> when I watched it recently on TV. Why they felt the
> orphanage origin was
> necessary, I have no idea. I gather they're referencing
> that in the new
> pilot for some odd reason. But the base story -- the Saint
> taking down the
> father-son villains -- was entertaining and at least
> vaguely resembled a
> Charteris-like plot, something I can't say about the
> Clarke. As for Kilmer,
> well, James Galdofini would have been worse. Still, I'd
> call the contest in
> favor of the movie.
>  
> Dick Lochte 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: theepistle-bounces+dlochte=gmail.com at fascicle.org
> [mailto:theepistle-bounces+dlochte=gmail.com at fascicle.org]
> On Behalf Of Ian
> Dickerson
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:18 PM
> To: theepistle at fascicle.org
> Subject: [Theepistle] Saintly rankings (was FW:
> www.lesliecharteris.comupdates)
> 
> 
> 
> I thought this might prompt some discussion on the list.
> 
>  
> 
> As you can see below Saint Ian Golledge wrote to me
> recently, in his own
> witty way, taking umbrage at a comment I'd made on the
> news page of
> www.lesliecharteris.com
> <http://www.lesliecharteris.com/>  implying that the
> worst portrayal of the Saint wasn't down to Val Kilmer
> but in the hands of
> Andrew Clarke.
> 
>  
> 
> So with his permission I'm forwarding his mail to the
> list because I'd like
> to open this up for discussion. I appreciate that many
> folks have been saved
> the pain of seeing Mr Clarke in all his glory but for those
> who have, what
> do you think?
> 
>  
> 
> My logic stems from the fact that the Kilmer film
> wasn't a bad film, just
> was quite simply not at all to do with the Saint, whereas
> the Clarke pilot
> suffered all the indignities of a 1980s TV production
> combined with a lousy
> script.
> 
>  
> 
> Ian
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Golledge [mailto:i.golledge at qut.edu.au] 
> Sent: 02 July 2008 05:27
> To: ian.dickerson at gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [Theepistle] www.lesliecharteris.com updates
> 
>  
> 
> Hi, Ian.
> 
>  
> 
> Long time no email.
> 
>  
> 
> Just had a squiz at the updates.  My eye was apprehended by
> what I can only
> assume was an inopportune juxtaposition of words resulting
> in an unfortunate
> reversal of your true meaning.  On the news page appear the
> words, to the
> effect of, "if you think Kilmer was bad, get a load of
> Andrew Clarke.."
> Now, as the sophisticated Saintly fan of immaculate
> appearance and steely
> sang froid that I am, I, of course, realize that calamities
> far more
> devastating to the global zeitgiest have sprouted and
> flourished from far
> slighter incidents of neural collapse.  Indeed, I am
> confident that the
> magnitude of this titvillian spasticity of expression could
> accurately be
> measure in pints.  Indeed, allow me to assure you that I am
> not offended out
> of some parochial sense of the coincidental fortune of both
> Mr Clarke and
> myself being born the same Great Land where beer is a
> civilized and cold
> temperature, and where cricket is game of some pride.  I
> merely extend the
> sanguine and ever-ready hand of Saintly brotherhood to
> flick aside, into
> oblivion, the unsightly speck of fluff that despoils the
> elegant shoulder of
> your site's usual, superlative appearance and veracity.
> 
>  
> 
> Clarke worse than Kilmer?  Get a grip!
> 
>  
> 
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